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What's happened down there?

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Well, my brother called us earlier, I mean late this afternoon,

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what we called him got a hold of him and he said that Travis was doing just fine.

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He said that as soon as Travis comes out, they will go underneath the progressive hypnosis test,

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and I guess that ESA test.

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And he said the only doctor, what's his name, Spalding, I mean Mr. Spalding, Bill Spalding.

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He said that the only discrepancy he could see in the thing was the time factor.

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He said normally they have it from anywhere from 30 minutes up to 60 minutes,

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that they usually have the people.

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Travis was the first one, he said that they run into that's been gone in five days.

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Okay, now could you take us back to this morning when you,

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this is someone, whoever it was that first got word that he was back,

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give us a rundown from that point.

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Okay, what happened was that Grant Naff, which is my brother and my sister,

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he got a telephone call and he answered it and his voice told him, he says,

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well, Grant, he says this is Travis, I'm back.

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And I need help.

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And he says wait a minute, fellow, he says you got the wrong number, I'm sorry.

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And he says don't hang up on me, Grant, he says this is Travis, he says I need help bad.

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So he figured out that it was a truth then, so he asked him where it was at,

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and he said it was in a telephone booth out by the end of the station in Heber.

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And he said please help me real bad and then, you know, Grant hung up and went,

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get my brother Dwayne and Dwayne and him drove out there.

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Well, they found Travis curled up on the floor of the telephone booth.

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He was sleeping or passed out, I don't know, quite for sure just exactly what's one of the two he was at.

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But it was in terrible shape, they brought him home and they're waiting me, lost 12 pounds.

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He said he hadn't eaten in five days.

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They asked him what happened, he said well, he said when I run for the flying saucer,

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he said it felt like I run into a brick wall.

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He said I had, when I come out of it, he said I had blinded headaches, it wouldn't quit.

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He asked him what he saw and he said well, he said first of all, he said I know I was in the outer space

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because he said that all I could see was stars and he said it looked like planets.

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He said I'm not sure, but he said it was black, black as could be except for that, no light, he didn't see any sun.

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And they said what else did he see?

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And he said well, he said he knew they took me out and it took him out in one ship.

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And he said when they were getting ready to dock with the big ship, he said he sought four others,

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but none of them were all the same shape.

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He said that when they got him in there, they laid him out on the table and we asked him what happened then

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and he said well, he couldn't talk about it, he'd have to talk to somebody that we could understand.

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And he said but I'll tell you one thing, he said I was laying on a table and he said the people that I saw were such that

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they were human form, he said some, he said they looked kind of gross to him.

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Every day I'd poke a tube in him instead of a needle in his arm and he had a big puncture wound in his arm.

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And he went right into what the vein was.

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Basically that was it.

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He brought him back and dropped him off at Heber in the middle of the highway at the top of the hill

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above Heber which had gotten across about a mile, a mile and a half from the town itself.

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I see.

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And then did they take him right to the hospital from there?

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Yes, we took him from here.

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We didn't want anybody to get involved with it here.

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The police here is harassing us pretty bad.

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So we sneaked him out of here and came down to Phoenix to see spawning.

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Spawning made the raininess from there.

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Well is he in the hospital at Phoenix?

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No, he's in Tucson.

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Oh, Tucson?

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I see.

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Okay, is that Tucson organization, are they doing anything about this?

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They said GSW, yeah.

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There, the ones that's going to run most of the tests, they got Dr. Lester Stewart to run the progressive hypnotist test

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on them and see what, but he said on the news tonight, I haven't been down there yet

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and we're waiting to get Clare's to come on down, but tonight Dr. Lester, I mean,

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William Spawling said that it was either the greatest, I mean it was the best hope that's ever been pulled

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or else it's the most fantastic UFO sighting.

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Uh huh.

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He said after the test there he'll be able to tell them.

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They put him on the spot and he had to, you know, ride the fence more or less.

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Yes.

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But he said after the test there was no more about it.

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Okay, now how about that, the lie detector test, they gave the five or six witnesses, how did that turn out?

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Turned out positive that they were telling the truth.

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Oh, I'll be darned.

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Well that's the kind of evidence we like.

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Uh huh.

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So that's the positive that they told the truth.

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Okay, now what was your brother's name that picked, picked...

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Dwayne.

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Dwayne up, yeah.

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He picked, uh, Dwayne picked up Travis.

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Brother-in-law was Grant, uh, Nath.

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And it was Dwayne that picked up Travis?

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Yes.

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Okay, yeah.

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He said that when he reached, uh, in the booth to grab Travis, he said Travis started scooting away from him,

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trying to get away from him.

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And he said I need help.

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And Dwayne talked to him, which is of course his one to him anyway, out of all the brothers.

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Yes.

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And he said that, uh, it's me, Travis.

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He said, uh, it's me.

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He says you're all right, you got help.

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And he said he lifted him up, reached down, picked him up and held him in his arms.

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He said just like grabbing a baby, he just cut him right up and started crying.

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He said everything, finally got him calmed down and said everything was all right.

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Uh huh.

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And he said, uh, that his contact with it was that people were cruel.

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I see.

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No, that's all we know.

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He wouldn't elaborate on anything more.

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I think that he got him home and got a little bit inside of him.

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And then we sneak him out here and got him down over to the old, uh, Phoenix.

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Is, uh, what, uh, is there any way that we could contact this Dwayne?

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Do you think he would object to our call on him?

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No, not me.

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No, not me.

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Here's your telephone number.

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Find it.

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There's some cards around here somewhere that's, uh, got the whole shoe.

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Sure.

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I'll pick it up.

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I'll pick it up.

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Have you had much, uh, communication with the news media on this?

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Uh, yes.

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I've been in and out all the time.

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Uh-huh.

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I've been to corner mom.

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We're trying to keep mom away from them.

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And because she's really, she's relieved, but she still shook up.

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Oh, I would imagine so.

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And, uh, she was one of, in her mind that, uh, he was definitely coming back.

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We all knew it, but she stuck by our guns all the way in there.

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They had a harasser and everything else.

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Oh, yeah.

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I understand that.

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We've even got some poops in here now that's coming in and out to see the freak show as

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they call it.

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And, uh, they come down from Colorado and Airplace House.

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Have you been contacted by, uh, Dr. Heineck from the, uh, Center for UFO Studies in Illinois?

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We haven't run into him yet.

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He might have called one of the other guys, but he hasn't called me.

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Uh-huh.

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Do you have a wind-spauling telephone number?

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Maybe he can give you a dwindle.

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I don't have it right here.

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I can't find it.

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My wife has dumped out all my cards and everything else out of my pockets.

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Yes, I have a s-pulling's number.

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Davey, check that blue sweater and see if it's in, uh, sure.

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I mean, in the pocket of the blue sweater.

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I understand that quite a few, uh, sightings of UFOs are being made in that area now.

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It's supposed to be the hotspot, according to the way, uh, Mr. Spaulding said that, uh,

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this is a hotspot in the nation right now.

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Well, there's us through and out, but the same, every day and the same night that, uh,

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Travis was picked up by this, uh, flying object that, uh, somebody else turned in the

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report, just not, but a few minutes before, difference between the men's turning them

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in and them.

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Uh-huh.

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But, uh, there's been some down around, uh, child in Arizona.

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I see.

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They've had quite a few down there.

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The news media's been down there, so has the guy from, uh, Flagstaff.

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He's been there.

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But he, he probably got a hold of, uh, Dwayne.

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He's checking out to see if he can find it, man.

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All right, sir.

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Now, would it be possible to get another call from you tomorrow night and, uh, get this

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caught up on what's going on?

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Yes, it sure will.

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It's, uh, it's on TV now.

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Dwayne gave a news release to the TV about it, at 10 o'clock here on our time.

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It's, you know, on five, in our channel, which is 10 and 12 and channel three.

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He can't find it, but you can find him Dwayne Walton, W-A-L-T-O-M.

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Uh-huh.

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In Phoenix.

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He's listed, he's got a horseshoeing outfit there.

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And he's listed, let's see, is it Phoenix or is it, uh, Glendale or not?

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It's on 60 or 70-some-odd street or avenue in Phoenix.

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They can give you the.

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That's Dwayne Walton.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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All right, sir, well thank you very much and I'll be in my office anytime after six o'clock

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tomorrow night.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much.

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Uh-huh.

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Bye.

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Bye.